Posts Tagged ‘pov’

Take Out My Lights? Never!

Sunday, July 12th, 2009

This is another one of those subjects popping up more and more on message boards: volunteers who quit or resign from their departments, but refuse to give up their lighting on their POV. While this is a small topic, it is an interesting one that has our interest.

The story starts with someone who has invested a lot of time and money into their lighting setup, the lights more than likely conform to their state laws for volunteer POV lights and their permits, although for one reason or another they have to move on from their volunteering hobby. Then the dreaded fact of life comes up, that the lights must go. The former volunteer fights this choice for awhile, and ends up deciding for some reason or another, they are just going to keep them.

What is their motivation? Mainly it is whackeristic intentions; excuses we heard so far stretch from “I am a trained fire fighter/EMT/whatever and might need them” to “you know, because I can.” As we say, we aren’t against people using lights when it is needed and lawful; however people who think they are entitled or it is their right to do so due to their past we are against. Either these types are cast out of their department due to their behavior or they are moving, and don’t want to move on from their flashy light show to live the life of a “normal” civilian. They evolve from a legitimate lighting user, to a whacker, the moment they leave their respective department. Just like a former police officer doesn’t wear his populated duty belt or a former member of the military wearing their class A uniform everywhere they go.

So to wrap up this week’s update, know when to call it quits and to leave behind the dream. Lights are tools that should only be used by those trained, certified, and who use them lawfully and ethically.

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Whackers in disguise

Monday, June 9th, 2008

This week we will cover a very controversial, yet growing problem in the volunteer emergency services sector. There appears to be a growing number of whackers, wannabes, & impersonators joining legitimate fire & EMS departments to justify their POV Emergency lighting. Most worrisome are those members who both drive police style vehicles and add police equipment in an attempt to make them appear to be in-service law enforcement vehicles. Some examples of the equipment added to these vehicles are:

  • Push bumpers
  • Spot lights
  • Multiple antennas
  • Black-out tint
  • Thin Blue Line stickers or plates
  • Police Interceptor badges
  • Emergency lights with clear lenses
  • Laptops

Unless the member is also a law enforcement officer, why do they need such equipment? We have been watching and have noticed this is a growing trend for those who own police style vehicles and have run out of options for impersonation. They will join a volunteer fire or EMS department for the sole purpose of gaining a light permit to legally allow them to possess emergency lights. These members then either contribute nothing to the department or do only the bare minimum required. The actions of these members taints the public image of volunteer agencies as a whole. When the public sees these vehicles driving around they either believe they are police vehicles, and so attribute any bad acts to police officers in general, or realize that they are POVs and lose respect for the professionalism of volunteer services. In many areas the use of emergency lighting by legitimate responders is already viewed negatively, and so having whackers, wannabes, & impersonators riding the coat tails of the volunteer community does nothing to help this image.

Now some people will jump to the conclusion that because we are commenting on the abuse of emergency lights by members of volunteer fire & EMS departments that joined those agencies with ulterior motives, that we are bashing all volunteer responders who use emergency lights. This is not true. We here at Policeposers.com have no problem with the responsible use of emergency lighting by legitimate volunteer responders. In fact many of the members of this site are active emergency personnel who use emergency lights, either on department vehicles or POVs, on a daily basis. As such we have come to rely on those lights to help keep us safe while performing our duties and do not wish to see their message diluted by inappropriate use.

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Lack of 9/11 images on web site is “sacrilegious”

Wednesday, September 12th, 2007

Hello,

Being a volunteer fire fighter, I have always wondered why you don’t have anything on your web site dealing with WTC or 9/11. To strive to be a respected site you must respect those who have fallen for this country and I find offense that you don’t respect the 343 brothers we lost that day or the soldiers dying over in Iraq because GW wants the oil. Instead of picking on whackers all the time you should show some respect for the real thing and maybe you would gain their respect a little more. I almost think you don’t like the real thing since you don’t have anything on any part of your site that has anything to do with 9/11. Every day I remember the brothers I lost on that day and what I was doing when they gave their lives. I was in school at the time and have been a volunteer fire fighter for almost two years now and still feel the connection 6 years later. I have a triangle 9/11 sticker on every vehicle I have and we have them on every fire truck at the station. 9/11 is a day for remembrance of the brothers we lost and I hope that you post an update on your front page as I think the lack of any caring on your site is pretty close to being sacreligious towards the fire fighter community. I don’t agree with a lot of your stuff and this is just another thing we can disagree on also. You can post this letter because it is the same stuff a lot of us fire fighters think of you and your site.

Sincerely,

Steve H.

I received this letter two days ago. Out of respect, I didn’t choose to post it until today but I did mention it on our forums. Let’s look at the letter for starters, it’s well typed out and has a lot of thought behind it. However it is typical of some volunteer fire fighters who forget they are only volunteers and think they are full timers who live the dream. I’ll explain this in a bit but my response.

Sometimes I’m not the best at putting my thoughts and feelings into text but my post in the forums sums up my opinion/feelings on the 9/11 tragedy.

I got a letter the other day asking why I don’t have any of the “9/11” stuff mentioned on my web site. They went on to say it’s almost “sacrilegious” not to have 9/11 mentioned on a public safety oriented web site. To be honest I do care but I have came to terms and have moved on. I don’t know anyone involved in the incident and and have never been to the areas. I never plan on going to those areas for the specific purpose.

In reality, I get tired of hearing about the day as it happened yesterday. Locally and abroad the volunteer departments plaster the 9/11 and FDNY stickers all over their POV’s and sometimes fire apparatuses. I see it a lot less on full time departments. I could understand it for about five years but after that it’s time to move on. I’m actually getting annoyed with people who have the stickers plastered all over their vehicles and equipment and make it a point to advertise them at the first chance they get. The same goes for web sites. I think it’s the same as those types who have “RIP Bo Ripley 08/03/81 – 01/09/01, We will always miss you” in huge letters on their back window. There’s a time to move on and remember in your own way. No need to let everyone and their family know how you remember in your way as to keep reminding him of the incident. I’ve seen full sized rear window murals on volunteer POV’s going on about 9/11. Sorry but those types are just screaming wannabe and “this makes me closer to the real thing.”

Maybe I have a twisted view but I’ve moved on and worry about issues that have a more recent impact and those that affect me now. 9/11 was tragic but most of us are different people now and this is almost a new generation. Katrina had a larger impact than 9/11 for this country (IMHO) and it’s largely forgotten now and date that it hit the coast was barely a blip on local news stations broadcasts this year. I’m not saying it is/was more important but it’s impact and actual event date is a lot closer (2005) compare to 9/11 (2001). I don’t know, I don’t mind the ceremonies as they are a tradition but the stickers, memorabilia, and drooling a lot of vollies sometimes do is getting a little thin.

One thing I have been noticing is the “probies” or newer volunteer fire fighters who were still in school when 9/11 happened jumping on the “remember our brothers” bandwagon. I personally find it irritating. They probably didn’t give it a second thought years later but now plaster the 9/11 stuff all over their equipment and vehicles to feel “one with their brothers” like they were there or around on a fire department at the time. I guess it’s hard for me to explain.

A forum member put it best what I honestly think of the people like the above email with the whole incident:

It is kind of like when the captain of the football team is killed and everyone at school is suddenly one of his best friends. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon of knowing him so well to be part. Just on a much larger scale.

I remember that day in my own way. I don’t dwell on it on a daily basis and think it is time for some people to move on. A lot of things the above types tend to forget is a lot more than 343 people died that day. There were people from all walks of life and all types of religions, races, genders, backgrounds, not just fire fighters and police officers. There were many hero’s that day but they didn’t don a uniform that morning and rush off to the rescue. They went to work at their job in the WTC towers like most of us do and stepped up to the plate when the situation was needed. The fire fighters hopping on the band wagon never mention those nameless heros, they only repeat the phrase “remember our 343 brothers we lost that day.” Like the above mentioned, there are a lot of volunteer fire fighters who were still in school or otherwise, not fire fighters on that date. Although they share something in common, by being on a volunteer department across the country doesn’t automaticly make you “one” with the fallen fire fighters on 9/11/01 and plastering stickers all over everything you own doesn’t make you any closer.

I just ask that everyone remembers all who passed away on that day and those who are serving our country as a result of it.

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