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Remembering Patriot Day

Friday, September 11th, 2009

Across the internet, this day, as every day with the date of 09/11 people are recollecting what they did that day.

Some recount where they were, some recount how they heard the news, and some recount how it affected them. Anyone alive at that time in the USA could probably tell you details of that day regarding their personal lives that they couldn’t if it was just any other normal day.

On several forums people have been going over that day. A lot were in the public safety field at the time, but a lot weren’t. A lot were in school or not even remotely involved in the field. While we all agree that age doesn’t make a difference and experience does, but this is something different. Those who weren’t involved in the public safety field that day will never know what that day felt like to those who were in the field. Although some of those now in the field lost someone they knew, being in the field at the time gave a certain understanding that is hard to describe. Now before you take offense, we are not saying “those not in the field that day don’t care”, but we are finding a growing trend with this group of people talking about that day as if they were first responders that day.

Hearing younger FF or EMS workers who where still in school, or otherwise not members of emergency services, at the time talk about 9-11 as though they were active responders bothers us. They were in school or whatever, and while they may have been scared, they didn’t just witness hundreds of people who where doing the same job as them die in an act of cowardice, we did, along with every other active emergency responder on that day.

We ask everyone to remember ALL of those who lost their lives that day and those who continue to fight for our safety and freedom.

USA Rose

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Remembering Patriot Day

Thursday, September 11th, 2008

Across the internet, this day, as every day with the date of 09/11 people are recollecting what they did that day.

Some recount where they were, some recount how they heard the news, and some recount how it affected them. Anyone alive at that time in the USA could probably tell you details of that day regarding their personal lives that they couldn’t if it was just any other normal day.

On several forums people have been going over that day. A lot were in the public safety field at the time, but a lot weren’t. A lot were in school or not even remotely involved in the field. While we all agree that age doesn’t make a difference and experience does, but this is something different. Those who weren’t involved in the public safety field that day will never know what that day felt like to those who were in the field. Although some of those now in the field lost someone they knew, being in the field at the time gave a certain understanding that is hard to describe. Now before you take offense, we are not saying “those not in the field that day don’t care”, but we are finding a growing trend with this group of people talking about that day as if they were first responders that day.

Hearing younger FF or EMS workers who where still in school, or otherwise not members of emergency services, at the time talk about 9-11 as though they were active responders bothers us. They were in school or whatever, and while they may have been scared, they didn’t just witness hundreds of people who where doing the same job as them die in an act of cowardice, we did, along with every other active emergency responder on that day.

We ask everyone to remember ALL of those who lost their lives that day and those who continue to fight for our safety and freedom.

USA Rose

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Time to open the hate mail bag for 2008

Friday, February 8th, 2008

This following letter I recieved from another person offended by my view on 09/11 being a rallying call for younger fire fighters trying to be closer to the real thing. Obviously, like the rest of the offended, this person didn’t read my whole article.

Dear Sir,

I would like to start by saying I think it is great that you post information on actual police impersonators. I can not imagine what goes through some ones head to decide to play cop. That aside it is my oppinoin that you have gone way to far with this whacker thing. You have crossed over into making fun of volunteer firefighters which you said you were at one time. I dont know who you think you are. Volunteer fire department greatly out number paid departments in America. The firefighters on these volunteer departments are no less a firefighter then a paid person. For that matter its my oppinion that volunteers are of a incredible character to volunteer their time and yes risk THEIR lives for no compinsation. The things you said about 9/11 show alot about your character or should I say the lack of. You may not be a whacker but you are no better. Does it make you feel better to insult those out there who are passionate about saving life. From what I have gathered from your site you were a voly for six years, security guard also. What I want to know is what you do for work and what got you started on this whole whacker crusade.

Just for you and all your readers to know (yes I want you to post this on your site and give us volies some answers Sally) I became a Police Explorer at 15 and was one till the age of 19. I was a RI State Park Ranger for 2 seasons during my Jr. and Sr. years of highshool. Joined my towns volunteer fire department at 18 and joined the military a year and a half later. I served over seas as a Corpsman with a grunt Marine unit and have since gone to the reserves. I am now a volunteer firefighter in a differant state and Im persuing a carrier in Emergency Services. Oh and yes I have lights in my POV and have since i became a Park Ranger 6 years ago.

So go ahead and tell me how Im just a whacker wannabe. Cause if you do I will know for sure your a useless sack of oh yes Sally you know what Im talking about. Good day Sir and enjoy your freedom. People like me sacrificed so you could say whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy on the inside.

As you can see, he is someone who is offended and also sent along his resume because he was trying to prove his point, “chest pounding” if you will. As always, my response.

I appreciate your email in regards to our web site. To start off, I don’t think anything I say will make you happy. It sounds as if your mind was made up before you even came to my site and you looked for something to be offended on. With that being said, you found it in your mind that I make it a goal to make fun of volunteer fire fighters. Well Sally, you are wrong. I’m not going to waste my time on how important volunteer fire departments are because put simply, you will skim over it looking for something to take offense to or twist it enough to take offense. I haven’t made fun of anyone who wants to save lives or risk their lives to run into burning buildings for the mental rush. That is a draw for a lot of volunteers and more power to them. About the 9/11 opinion, boohoo for you. Your rant did nothing to change my view point and if you don’t like my view point, then forget it and move on. Maybe you have blinders on or have the same mentality of the volunteer probbies/newbies who cry tears every time 09/11 is mentioned or someone brings it up. These kids didn’t lose any brothers or sisters that day (unless they had relatives there), they were still in school when it happened and probably didn’t even know fire fighting at the time.

As for fire fighters/EMS/police ACTIVE on that day, they deal with it differently and you hear less about “OMG my brothers died that day” from them and they probably remember back in their mind when they hear that date but no one else ever notices it. The funny thing is the younger fire fighters make more of a commotion on the issue than the people who were part of a department on that date. You could almost call it the “poser mentality,” thinking they get the same type of respect and courage since they are simply fire fighters now. Simply put, there have been a lot of tragedies both domestic and abroad dealing with the public safety profession (let alone civilian tragedies) since then and you will rarely, if ever, hear about it from the same types who turn ever mention of 09/11 into a temporary memorial. Visit most FDNY firehouses involved in the tragedy, most of them refuse visitors anymore because they get tired of people reminding them of what happened on that day. Stickers and murals on vehicles will not bring those people back and only further the reminding of those feelings that people have from that day that were mature enough to know what loss is about. “Saving Lives” and reminding others constantly of a tragedy that happened almost a generation ago are two very different things.

As for “picking” on all volunteer fire fighters, I still don’t see where that can be directly pulled from my web site. I do mention the volunteers who take the fire fighting thing from a hobby to an obsession. There is a difference between volunteer and full time fire fighters. Calling them the same is like calling high school football player and a NFL football player. One plays for the spirit of it and the other plays for the pay. They do the same thing, but their reason for involvement is still different. With that being said, they both perform a very much needed and appreciated service. There are those who are the types who join 3+ departments, have no life outside of friends on the department, hanging out at the fire house constantly, and their real job. Yea, those types thinking that by drowning themselves in the hobby that much, they are more like the real thing. A lot of people will also view these types as wannabes also and these types left in this mental state too long can become a liability and a hazard. Two decades ago these types would be shooed off of most departments. However, with the current decay of society and everyone wanting reward for their accomplishments, volunteers are drying up. While on the topic of “rewards for accomplishments,” that’s your entire last paragraph on your letter is about. Being in the Marines and a Park Ranger has nothing to do with the rest of the letter and it sounds like you either want attention for your accomplishments or you’re trying to place yourself above me for the same. Another angle on it is you’re trolling for a hate letter in response so you can prove to whoever how bad of a person I am and how good you are with your background. I’ll leave up to a fellow forum staff member to explain the thoughts on your military background. Sadly, like the web site itself, you will only get what you want out of this letter and ignore the rest. For that I can’t help you.

A member of my staff read the letter and also put in his two cents.

Oh noes….he called you a Sally!

Sorry, but if his poor writing skills are a measure of intelligence, that is probably the reason he is still “persuing a carrier” [sic] in emergency services.

I don’t take lightly to these “veteran” whackers. Quit trumping up your time in the military, like you alone are the reason freedom exists. Sorry Rambo, it doesn’t work that way. Some of us here have been there, done that, and may still be at the service of the commander-in-chief. I’d bet this guy is the one who (1) is probably a military sticker whacker (look at me I’m special) and (2) always insists on the “military discount” at fast food restaurants. While I can applaud anyone tough enough to survive time in the service, that isn’t any defense to argument that makes your viewpoints about whackers any more credible.

Next, since most of us volunteer in some capacity within our communities, his tirade that PP hates volunteer FF is bunk. If anything, some of us have higher respect for volunteers than the career guys who view the service just as an easy job with good benefits. It takes the logical reasoning of let’s see–a teenager, to realize that we can make fun of ourselves, and point out those who in our midst are overboard, without committing blasphemy.

This guy is is missing the point of the site completely. We cover topics more broad than just police impersonators. Yes, you can be a legitimate member of an LE, EMS or FD unit and still be a whacker. I would wager a bet that the lure of woo-woo lights has even motivated many-a-whacker to join up. So, when we make fun of a guy that starts up a fake fire department or lobbies legislature for an animal ambulance for their own edification, we aren’t knocking on the whole tree, just picking the bad apples.

To the writer: If you can understand, you’re with us. If you don’t, you need to grow up. Life isn’t black and white. Combat should have taught you that.

To wrap it up, we give you his response. As you can see, it’s basically the first letter but reworded with a few responses thrown in.

Hey guys thanks for responding. I just wanted to clear up a few things though. First of all I was mostly offended at your attitude towards 9/11. I think that people in America are to quick to forget. Remember what happened on 9/11 and the intense patriotism that fallowed. Don’t forget man, that’s probably the best way to put it. Also in response to your Buddy I do not have any military stickers on my jeep. My point in giving you my back round was to try and impress on you that I’m not just some wannabe that has his panties in a twist. I don’t really like to talk about the military much. Most civilians don’t get it when I talk about the stuff I did. It brings up bad memories too sometimes. By the way I’m still serving in the active reserves. So your Buddy needs to stop assuming things about people he doesn’t know. Go goggle what a Navy Corpsman is before you start ranting about me. Oh and you have to go to school to be a Paramedic, so yes I’m persuing my career in emergency services. Ive been there done the saving life thing and got paid for it so cool your jets. Rambo ain’t got [Censored] on Doc. LOL!

I think I miss understood your point. I thought you were making fun of vollies because of the way you feel about 9/11 and the sticker whackers that go crazy with the 9/11 stuff. I can understand that point. As far as paid compared to volunteer firefighters I have run into some really bad vollies but I almost got killed in my first fire with a over zealous paid firefighter. So my opinion stands that there about equal.

Well I still like your site. I think that some of the guys you got on the site are total whack jobs. I agree that the animal ambulance thing is bull. I’m not a retard hater. You just really hit a nerve with the 9/11 thing. Its OK though this is America I respect your opinion. I apologize if I was to forward.

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Lack of 9/11 images on web site is “sacrilegious”

Wednesday, September 12th, 2007

Hello,

Being a volunteer fire fighter, I have always wondered why you don’t have anything on your web site dealing with WTC or 9/11. To strive to be a respected site you must respect those who have fallen for this country and I find offense that you don’t respect the 343 brothers we lost that day or the soldiers dying over in Iraq because GW wants the oil. Instead of picking on whackers all the time you should show some respect for the real thing and maybe you would gain their respect a little more. I almost think you don’t like the real thing since you don’t have anything on any part of your site that has anything to do with 9/11. Every day I remember the brothers I lost on that day and what I was doing when they gave their lives. I was in school at the time and have been a volunteer fire fighter for almost two years now and still feel the connection 6 years later. I have a triangle 9/11 sticker on every vehicle I have and we have them on every fire truck at the station. 9/11 is a day for remembrance of the brothers we lost and I hope that you post an update on your front page as I think the lack of any caring on your site is pretty close to being sacreligious towards the fire fighter community. I don’t agree with a lot of your stuff and this is just another thing we can disagree on also. You can post this letter because it is the same stuff a lot of us fire fighters think of you and your site.

Sincerely,

Steve H.

I received this letter two days ago. Out of respect, I didn’t choose to post it until today but I did mention it on our forums. Let’s look at the letter for starters, it’s well typed out and has a lot of thought behind it. However it is typical of some volunteer fire fighters who forget they are only volunteers and think they are full timers who live the dream. I’ll explain this in a bit but my response.

Sometimes I’m not the best at putting my thoughts and feelings into text but my post in the forums sums up my opinion/feelings on the 9/11 tragedy.

I got a letter the other day asking why I don’t have any of the “9/11” stuff mentioned on my web site. They went on to say it’s almost “sacrilegious” not to have 9/11 mentioned on a public safety oriented web site. To be honest I do care but I have came to terms and have moved on. I don’t know anyone involved in the incident and and have never been to the areas. I never plan on going to those areas for the specific purpose.

In reality, I get tired of hearing about the day as it happened yesterday. Locally and abroad the volunteer departments plaster the 9/11 and FDNY stickers all over their POV’s and sometimes fire apparatuses. I see it a lot less on full time departments. I could understand it for about five years but after that it’s time to move on. I’m actually getting annoyed with people who have the stickers plastered all over their vehicles and equipment and make it a point to advertise them at the first chance they get. The same goes for web sites. I think it’s the same as those types who have “RIP Bo Ripley 08/03/81 – 01/09/01, We will always miss you” in huge letters on their back window. There’s a time to move on and remember in your own way. No need to let everyone and their family know how you remember in your way as to keep reminding him of the incident. I’ve seen full sized rear window murals on volunteer POV’s going on about 9/11. Sorry but those types are just screaming wannabe and “this makes me closer to the real thing.”

Maybe I have a twisted view but I’ve moved on and worry about issues that have a more recent impact and those that affect me now. 9/11 was tragic but most of us are different people now and this is almost a new generation. Katrina had a larger impact than 9/11 for this country (IMHO) and it’s largely forgotten now and date that it hit the coast was barely a blip on local news stations broadcasts this year. I’m not saying it is/was more important but it’s impact and actual event date is a lot closer (2005) compare to 9/11 (2001). I don’t know, I don’t mind the ceremonies as they are a tradition but the stickers, memorabilia, and drooling a lot of vollies sometimes do is getting a little thin.

One thing I have been noticing is the “probies” or newer volunteer fire fighters who were still in school when 9/11 happened jumping on the “remember our brothers” bandwagon. I personally find it irritating. They probably didn’t give it a second thought years later but now plaster the 9/11 stuff all over their equipment and vehicles to feel “one with their brothers” like they were there or around on a fire department at the time. I guess it’s hard for me to explain.

A forum member put it best what I honestly think of the people like the above email with the whole incident:

It is kind of like when the captain of the football team is killed and everyone at school is suddenly one of his best friends. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon of knowing him so well to be part. Just on a much larger scale.

I remember that day in my own way. I don’t dwell on it on a daily basis and think it is time for some people to move on. A lot of things the above types tend to forget is a lot more than 343 people died that day. There were people from all walks of life and all types of religions, races, genders, backgrounds, not just fire fighters and police officers. There were many hero’s that day but they didn’t don a uniform that morning and rush off to the rescue. They went to work at their job in the WTC towers like most of us do and stepped up to the plate when the situation was needed. The fire fighters hopping on the band wagon never mention those nameless heros, they only repeat the phrase “remember our 343 brothers we lost that day.” Like the above mentioned, there are a lot of volunteer fire fighters who were still in school or otherwise, not fire fighters on that date. Although they share something in common, by being on a volunteer department across the country doesn’t automaticly make you “one” with the fallen fire fighters on 9/11/01 and plastering stickers all over everything you own doesn’t make you any closer.

I just ask that everyone remembers all who passed away on that day and those who are serving our country as a result of it.

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