Sunday, 8. March 2009
This was the rallying call heard recently on the Skywarnonline.com forums in a thread entitled- Skywarn members credibility could be risk. The call to arms was answered by several fellow storm spotters/chasers/foamers. They were upset over our posting of public domain obtained images showing various Skywarn members vehicles with various states of lighting obsessions. Within hours the thread was locked and then taken away to some hiding spot.
Contained in that thread was a plethora of complaining, whining, arm chair lawyering, and attempted investigations into policeposers creator’s personal history through the website host and domain. While none of those accomplished anything, it was funny how much effort people put into finding dirt on someone who questioned their motivation for lighting abuse. A common misconception of the whackers in society is that the creator runs this web site alone. Well, the website is coded by the creator and webmaster of policeposers, but the content is created and distributed by an advisory board or staff who work behind the scenes to bring to light the topics on the site. Want proof? Ask any staff member on our forums and they will repeat what we have said here.
Why are we posting this? Well, it’s simple, to illustrate the mentality of some people. The posted photos were found via reader submissions of the individual’s Photobucket.com accounts which are posted in the Public Domain-
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We then reposted them in our policeposers photo album. Instead of taking the time to actually read Photobucket.com’s rules that are signed by every user, the “armchair” lawyers in the thread instead started shouting “Copyright infringement!!” despite there being none. The information above was communicated to the original poster of the thread and was ignored. Instead we received a very “colorful” bit of hate-mail:
“Salutations!
You are a true (ADMIN EDIT). You have nothing better to do than to talk crap and hide behind your web site. I know people like you and despise them. People like me need to use lights to keep our head with our body, aka OUR SAFETY! People like you don’t care a damn about safety and try to press your narrow-minded and shallow agenda on all of those who are dumb enough to listen. Take a chill pill and drop your whole self loathing whacker act, it’s depressing for you and makes you look like a freak to everyone else. Also drop the act your web site is a huge community and accept you are the only pin head capable of such rambling. Also you can remove my pictures from your web site and keep them off there or I will keep you tied up in court and drain your bank account faster than you can say you have no life. SKYWARN gives more back to the community than you can hope to dream of. Web sites like yours are only around to vent frustration of being butt raped mentally by someone bigger than you are. I can be crude and vicious but low life scum like you sometimes need it to get it through your thick Neanderthal skull. I hope SKYWARN fails to see a tornado in your town and it kills you so those who volunteer for the community can be safe from your anti-safety selfish ramblings. Did I sound crude, sure I did to make a point you will pay attention to. While you are in your house getting drunk and beating on your wife, WE are out there helping the weather forecasters bring news to those who need it. You can thank me later but you won’t since you are an (ADMIN EDIT). If you post this in anywhere, I will sue you for harassment so don’t get any funny ideas.
REMOVED
Certified SKYWARN Spotter and CERTIFIED TO HAVE LIGHTS!”
Now we are NOT saying Skywarn is a “waste” or “useless”, it is a very much needed service, but there is no need to be a whacker while doing it. NOWHERE has anyone on this site questioned the usefulness of, or called for the disbandment of, the Skywarn program. On the contrary several of our members are Skywarn trained spotters, who by the way, have no burning desire or compulsion to mount amber lights to their vehicles. Now to make our position perfectly clear to those who don’t seem to get it- We here at Policeposers.com do NOT have a problem with the Skywarn program, but with the flagrant abuse of emergency lighting by some of it’s members. Now let’s take a closer look at some excerpts from the letter.
“People like me need to use lights to keep our head with our body, aka OUR SAFETY! People like you don’t care a damn about safety and try to press your narrow-minded and shallow agenda on all of those who are dumb enough to listen.”
Actually Skywarn does NOT “need” emergency lighting. Skywarn spotters are NOT “emergency responders”, despite what many may think, who need to move traffic while responding, exceed the speed limit, or block roads. As for “not caring” about safety, many members of this site are actual emergency responders, many with 10+yrs of experience in Law Enforcement, Fire Department, or Emergency Medical Services who are acutely aware of the safety issues. However, unlike the true emergency services, Skywarn spotters have NO duty to enter or remain in a dangerous situation. A Skywarn spotter who finds themselves in a situation where their “head could be separated from their body” should LEAVE, because no amount of lights is going to stop it. Lastly, there is a big difference between someone who during storm season carries an amber mag-mount throw light for use when visibility is decreased by bad weather while chasing v.s. someone who has lights mounted full-time which consist of a full-size LED lightbar, grille lights, rear deck lights, & hide-a-way strobes and the lights all have clear lenses so the public doesn’t know what color they really are. Also don’t forget the examples that have been posted showing the use of red and/or blue lights by “Skywarn” spotters in states where such use is ILLEGAL!
“…CERTIFIED TO HAVE LIGHTS!”
“I can be crude and vicious but low life scum like you sometimes need it to get it through your thick Neanderthal skull. I hope SKYWARN fails to see a tornado in your town and it kills you so those who volunteer for the community can be safe from your anti-safety selfish ramblings. …While you are in your house getting drunk and beating on your wife, WE are out there helping the weather forecasters bring news to those who need it.”
Right, real mature, so I guess our members who work in the true emergency services are just wasting their time.
“If you post this in anywhere, I will sue you for harassment so don’t get any funny ideas.”
I’m sorry, but no it’s not harassment, especially since you initiated contact. In fact you apparently gave as little concern to our site rules as to Photobucket.com’s-
“Policeposers.com Legal Disclaimer
6. Any emails to policeposers@gmailDOTcom/admin@policeposersDOTcom, intended for, or in reference to the policeposers.com website become part of the policeposers.com collection and can be used at the webmaster’s discretion.
So by submitting the above E-mail you gave us unlimited authority to repost it, since it is “in reference to the policeposers.com website”.
“Did I sound crude, sure I did to make a point you will pay attention to.”
Actually all you did was give us, and likely our readers, a good laugh.
It’s easy for someone to post a degrading complaint about someone else on a different message board surrounded by his friends who will blindly support him & knowing that the original person won’t see it, but it takes a bigger man to go to the original forum & seriously debate the issue. So, if you have a problem with something on the site, you’re welcome to join the forums and discuss it in a civilized manor. And yes, before you ask, the pictures will be going back up. We haven’t broken any laws in the capacity they are displayed. As we always say- “If you advertise your stupidity on the internet, don’t get mad when someone finds it and calls you on it.” This is especially true when you’re doing stuff outside the normal realm of society- how many vehicles do you see with double their value in lights installed chasing clouds?
-Policeposers.com Staff